gruesome bits of lynx

Wilderness and wild things have no use for sentimentality. A point well made. I am enjoying your posts from the wild north, which I have just now caught up with.

I love cats too, we have quite a few beautiful cats. Thinks - they might look better on the lynx.  Smiles.

I read your post few days ago, and I reread it tonight and can't snuff the violent anger against those trappers who are obviously merely some souless barbarian ignorant oafs,  who made a career of skinning and torturing beautiful animals for their furs. It is instance like that knowing there are some human beings as them that makes me extremely ashame to be a member of mankind. Really the most dangerous and cruel animal on Earth is man.

Your post is sketchy, and self-negating, either you care for felines or you don't, big or small, tame or wild, the fact is that to be skin alive is  excruciating painful and also those toothy metal traps are mediaeval objects of abject torture , the animals suffer the worst imaginable pains and my friend, cruelty for greed is a human aberration no less.

Carla wrote: “Wilderness and wild things have no use for sentimentality. A point well made”
Really ? which point are you trying to make Carla? because your comment happens to be absolutely pointless, since it has nothing to do with wilderness but about the
ignominy
of some human trappers hunting and torturing wild animals.
If I have ever read something as cold blood, your comment won the crown!

Your post is a poor defense for looking the other side. of  reason and compassion.
Your system of information is damaged and erroneous, if not  I might say hypocritically fraudulent.
So you believe those trappers are killing  ethically? which proofs did you gather? really you are a naive one, to believe that they don't skin their prays alive when they are alone miles away in the woods? I declare , that you get your information verified, because the hearsay coming from your trappers  are full of incongruities. I daresay that forensic experts have  already revealed the opposite of what you are trying to feed me.
and whats more, my friend,  you can't make a wrong right, by denouncing that the lynx is a worst predator and therefore should be treated as a cold blood murderer , just like any other animals ready for the slaughterhouse or the “traps” or the bullet of your friends. The lynx can't overcome its  animal instinct as he survives solely by eating other animals, however  man can, and SHOULD,  I hope you find it in yourself some  compassion, and hopefully a sense of ethic ,for those who consciously can't rise above their nature ( I mean by that the furry animals not the oafy barbarian trappers)
You have not heard of poaching, and yes even it is illegal those felons still use the worst kind ot entrapments.
I have no sympathy for those killers, and to have labelled them as oafy barbarians is still a too nice qualification for those horrendous  people.
You can label me any names you feel  and take the privilege of calling me  a spoiled urban westerner, I was self-deprecating when I wrote that, about myself, you when you wrote it were trying to only ridicule me. 

you will never correct a wrong by  administrating another wrong.

I am against killing,  either animals or humans. Ethically and morally it is wrong.
Mankind has been given the gift of an higher form of consciousness and because of it has  acquired enough principles and moral, to just don't let its”savage instinct” win over the evolution of a superior man.    you are only trying to justify the killing of the  lynxes, with this flawed reasoning , thinking it is acceptable to kill them for their furs, since they instinctively kill  other animals to nourish themselves. ,,,, and you have even threw in this other hysterical justification that the trappers eat also the meat of the lynxes as if it would become an acceptable crime.
You should be aware that if you have higher faculty to reason, it should be obvious that what is acceptable for a wild animal is certainly not acceptable in a man who has an intellect, a spirit and a heart. which obviously your trappers friends are lacking.
Happy New Year, hopefully with less torture and blood.

I will defend the life of a frog,  or a mole, or any animal for that matter, the reason I came to the defense of the lynxes was because this gory photo you posted of their tufts of hairs and claws, remnants of some gory and yes barbarian cruelty, I am still shocked why would you posted it if you don't condone it?
Just like, if you are against pedophilia, you  are not going to post pictures of children naked. or children being sexually abused?
I don't understand your actions, my friend, and thats make me very sad.

Your pic is totally offensive, can't blame people feeling the way they feel!
I 'm sure you are a good guy, but wtf did  you post it man?

First George,  I haven't  lacked respect to your person. I was simply astounded at what you wrote, and was shocked at  the photo you obviously took and then posted.  I was infuriated at YOUR ACTIONS  not at YOURSELF as a human being who is ignorant of the pain he might  be causing! Every body can err, every body can make a mistake.
Many of us , myself included, often leap without thinking about the consequence or the result, one action might cause.
Yet, the reality of showing those “documented”  photographied “parts” of a killed animal, and thinking it is fun and enjoyable was simply  immature mild perversion, the only kind of people who would welcome that ,are people who can't relate, love or respect animals.
You seem to have this mididle age old Rene Descartes, antiquated and dumb Cartesian philosophy that animals are lesser beings, that they don't suffer, and we should use them  for our personal pleasure and for any of our caprices and whims. And we have the right of death, torture, and of any kind of physical and emotional exploitation over them.
To expect to amuse the gallery, from exposing that photo to us, while justifying yourself with we shouldn't have maudlin sentimentality over wild animals that have been killed for their furs. Really?  I never thought I would read something like that here at Zaadz.

You certainly don't think animals have rights like humans, you would  probably be disgusted if you would see the photo of  the digits of a man who has been murdered on the internet, but you are not offended to do the same, to a lynx, because it is in your “specist”” animal racist” mind ,only a wild animal… that doesnt deserved our compassion.
As a matter of fact unfortunately there are many people like you on this planet, who think like you, much more than people like me, however I will fight for the rights of the animals until  the last day of my life.  I have a fierce passion and loyal love for those who can't defend themselves.
I implore you to have respect for this lynx  who has already suffered a premature and horrific  death, no needs to make a circus or a freak show out of his poor claws. And for the people who enjoy it, well shame on you!

That's my girl tell it like it is!

George has shown us his life through the lens of his camera.  He did not kill the Lynx… he has merely given us a look through a hunter's eyes.  Man has been both a hunter and a gatherer since the dawn of time… some people have chosen to eat only plants, while other's eat meat and plants.  The lynx was not killed for sport… I'm sure all parts of it were used - obviously except for the bones.  People have the right to use the earth's resources… I know I'm probably stepping on a bees nest here…

George, you wrote one thing and post another here is the inconsistency:
George wrote:” However, given the opportunity, yes I wanted to see the lynx claws (a collection from several animals), touch the soft fur (the reason they are trapped), arrange them on a slab and take a picture to illustrate the ultimate pointlessness of sentimentality.”

then you wrote that: ” I said a prayer for the spirit of the lynx” “All beings deserve compassion.  The lnyx and the hare both deserve compassion”. WHAT?


It is the first day of the New Year, lets act with maturity, and if some wants to act childishly and can't admit what they did is wrong, well just let it be, you can bring a horse to a fountain but you can't force a horse to drink.

UGH and you Susan you are way below understanding with such a narrow-minded statement as that: “The lynx was not killed for sport… I'm sure all parts of it were used - obviously except for the bones.  People have the right to use the earth's resources”

You said: “People have the right to use the earth's resources?” WOW what kind of person are you? It is with convoluted unwarranted superiority notions like yours that the planet is getting depleted, and some animals instinct.

Wow talking about putting one foot in one mouth!

I am taking the defense of Damavava, and methink she is obviously right with her legitimate concerns.
She was not disrespectful of you George, a debate as a matter of fact  is just that… that people are able to defend their ideas, without becoming personal.
If you can't defend them without  making it a personal matter like you did with Damavava, well just abstain  yourself if you can't fight the good fight.
The photo is gruesome (it is the only thing you said right) and it was quite foolish of you to make it public, thinking we would enjoy it.
You are the one who has been disrespectful.

My last comment was deleted, however I know that it can't be related to George, as he seems to be  a man of integrity,
and fairness, despite the fact,  we are not seeing eye to eye about the evil of trappings.
My beef is not against George, I admire his eloquence and his verbosity, also the fact, that he has an intelligence above average as it has been shown in his previous postings.


When an animal is hunted down for its fur, it is always with or similar devices, like  those metal toothy traps that will spare the torso of the animal and with the clamp of those horrible metal claws, will locked definitively the animal, it will dismembered, or amputated  the leg of the animalif he tries to free himself from it, once caught all options become horrid….. once ensnared  it is treacherous and barbaric the animal will be in agony  and the prey of others predators until the trapper come back to skin him….those  devices of the devil  are used for the like of foxes and lynxes, since  those animals are not shot down with a bullet.   and why not?    Trappers are paid for immaculate skins that has not been marred with holes, tears,  piercing, indentations , if you think the trappers take in consideration the animal sufferings and pains you are delusional. In order to receive the most money they make sure of it,  by skinning that poor animal alive. Away from public scrutiny, they act as insensitive monsters. Did you hear of GOOGLE? please get inform and use it. it is all there for the caring and curious mind who is ready to absorb knowledge and become aware of the TRUTH!. . The state ended trapping in 1984. … your scenario conflicts with federal law prohibiting trapping of lynx. Trapping is inhumane. period.    Wildlife is already cruel, those animals have short lives usually, they often starved, go hungry for long period,  always on the look out for predators, the cold winter, the rainy climate, drought, everything is against them, so why man should join the oppressors and the tormentors and torture them some more and worst for their furs? I say leave them alone.
It is not because Nature can be indifferent and very cruel,  that  man should do the same
No man with his/her higher intelligence should elevate onself to become a protector  and a compassionnate person. which is a more divine attitude and goal. We should aspire to our higher nature not  to our carnal and indifferent nature.
  However the furs business is horrific and decadent. We are in 2008 George, there is not one valid reason to be unaware of the ugly truth behind trapping. Get inform first!  
I urge you to find in your heart some compassion for the animals who are being killed in the most painful manner  for their furs.   By posting that photo you are endorsing trapping, and the skinning and the horrific deaths of those animals and what is worst was your excuse and lame justification ” However, given the opportunity, yes I wanted to see the lynx claws (a collection from several animals), touch the soft fur (the reason they are trapped), arrange them on a slab and take a picture to illustrate the ultimate pointlessness of sentimentality.”

George, I would not have you apologize for taking and posting a documentary photograph, but you certainly may if you choose to. My comment on George's post, was an expansion of my own of what he wrote. It was not about the photograph, the lynx, the trapping, or directly any behavior of man. It was inspired by his words. One word. Sentimentality.

I live at the edge of a patch of wilderness, which is still home to predators coyote, bear, bobcat, mountain lion, fisher cats, eagles, hawks, owls. I have seen them in action, taking deer, fish, small rodents. There are human hunters here too. My land is posted to discourage them.

When I enter the wilderness, I address the life in it, the living rocks, trees, animals, great and small. I anthropomorphized these beings and create metaphors of them that I can relate to. It may be sentimental. I am sentimental about the beauty of my friend the snake, though she has never been wild. I would be frightened of her if I met her in her wild state.

I liked that George reminded me that the wilderness and wild things are bigger than my thoughts of them, or my feelings about them, and they don't really care what I think. If I stayed out there without shelter, transport or any recourse, they would probably eat me. This would not be evil, though it is a terrifying and unsentimental thought.

Read Jack London, or Barry Lopez.

To all of you Zaadsters, you can read, my Mea Culpa in this additional comment.  I should have written it days earlier, however  like this cliche adage which claimed  so well “better late than never” it is here now.. I am guilty of over-reacting, of pointing the finger at an innocent man,  in fact I was such in a frenzy, in an imaginary guerrilla against trappers, or at anyone who has ever tortured an animal, the picture above, which is a stylized composition of some lynxes's nails and hair tufts artistically displayed   and foolishly the first 3 words George had written below it, “Was laughing today”  carried me to the moon and I was orbiting madly around the Earth for a couple of days…   I admittedly just calmed down enough last night to be able to examine where I was erring. George is as, you all known and know a man of integrity, and a precious joy to all of us,  with his generosity of offering us a unique view of what it is like living in the Yukon. Such a wonderfully written UNIQUE blog! Life is unfair, and at time can be very cruel, however George was obviously only the messenger , reporting a facet unknown or hidden of us about how people and mainly the natives, the fauna and the flora live and survive in the Great North. It would be one of the lowest blow if I wouldn't have find in myself the courage to confess, that I was wrong to handle that matter like I did. Yet I want to thank Carla, your last post was most convincing and most informative. And of course I am sorry if I have by my ways of carrying it up, offended any of the many friends and supporters of George. Marie-Line

This dialogue surely demonstrates the intense anger and emotion that can consume us, when we see blatant killing and destruction of beautiful life. 

I for one, make every effort to avoid and dicourage the use of shock power … for it only strikes pain in those with an open heart, and the cold hearted do not care in the slightest.